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Why 98% of Catholic Women use contraceptives.

Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:25 PM EST
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98% of Catholic Women use contaceptives for a reason.  They know they can't raise and provide for a child a year.  A woman who had a child every year could produce 38 children or more if some were twins etc.  That is from 17 to 45.  It could be a lot higher than that if you figure a female can concieve at 12 and many can still concieve into their 50's.   However the Catholic hierarchy hangs onto the ages of control by making use of contraceptives a sin.  The Bible doesn't say using birth control is a sin.  They didn't have contraceptive's when Christ walked the earth or for century's afterward.  So where did this sin orginate from?  Everyone should read the history of religion.  The Church once owned one third of the British Isles.  The Church once ran brothels.  The Church was amazingly corrupt.  The Church mass murdered people.  If you didn't bow down and pledge your life to the Church you were a heretic and burned at the stake.  This control of the masses is their income and their power.  With more children there is more income and more people to control.  It doesn't matter to Rome if the people in poor countries live in squallor.  It doesn't matter to Rome if you can't feed all your children.  So Catholic women have to defy what they have been taught in order to provide and take care of their family.  All the people up here angy blogging about religious rights don't get it.  How are you going to feed all these people???  How are you going to educate and find work for all these people??  It's been a long time since people were serfs.  Do you really want to go back in time?  If Catholicism really cared about their flocks (notice the people going to church are part of the flock, like geese) they would have embrace contraceptives from the day that they were available.  They did not because it is something that they can use to control the flock.   Don't get me wrong Church's do a lot of good.  But we have laws that are put in place that are secular.  We don't allow polegomy.  We don't allow children to get married.  We no longer have children working in factories.  It's against the law to drink and drive.  We as a people approved those laws.  And the law that states that employers that provide insurance to their employees have to provide contraception coverage.  With exemptions to Churchs but not businesses.   So all this flap from the Church is simply because they know their flocks are defying them in using contraceptives.  They are losing control.  Ask your Bishop if he is prepared to feed, house, educate and take care of millions of people in an over populated earth because the Church doesn't have the good sensce to repeal a victorian rule.     

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tweetheart44

Catholic women use contraceptives because they are SMART. Hopefully, they are smart enough to vote for Obama on election day. Otherwise, their reproductive rights could be in serious jeopardy. That is the truth!

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:15 AM EST
WaltUU

Contraception is almost single-handedly responsible for bringing women substantially close to equality in society.

For institutions that would prefer that women remain essentially the property of men, to serve men and be used as men see fit, that's a chilling motivator for obstructing access to contraception by any means possible.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:40 AM EST
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CrowMeris

In general, Catholic women (and men) who use contraceptive measures do not make their decision without careful consideration. I so wish that the church "fathers" would clean up their own house before declaiming their moral superiority to control the lives of others.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:51 AM EST
WaltUU

Catholicism, itself - the word - is an insinuation that its dogma applies beyond its rightful bounds.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:52 AM EST
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Grisham

They didn't have contraceptive's when Christ walked the earth or for century's afterward. So where did this sin orginate from? Everyone should read the history of religion. The Church once owned one third of the British Isles. The Church once ran brothels. The Church was amazingly corrupt.

I forget which passage it is but in the Bible spilling or wasting your seed was a bad thing. That's where that particular belief comes from.

The Catholic Church was corrupt and it is now too. In Dutch Churches alone, 20,000 people have come forward to file sexual assault cases. Not only that, but the church hid pedophiles and moved them to other places so they could find fresh prey.

As for birth control - the archaic belief that birth control is bad leads to thousands of deaths around the world. venereal diseases get spread faster, children are born to parents who can't afford to feed them etc.

As for the current hoopla, it's a made up strawman meant to whip the religious people into a frenzy so they can continue to claim that Obama is making war on religion. It's ridiculous.

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:45 AM EST
Loretta Kemsley

Actually, they did have both birth control and abortificants. The earliest recorded abortificant is 3500 years old, almost as soon as writing was inevented which implies the remedies are even older.

In Yeshua's time, the most popular birth control/abortificant was a plant that only grew in one area. It was so popular it went extinct.

Ancient Gynecology

Women in the ancient world practiced birth control with little interference from religious or political authorities. A precise knowledge of plants which could either block conception or cause abortion was resident in the oral female culture of herbalists and midwives.

One of the most common contraceptive agents used in the ancient Mediterranean world was silphium, which grew exclusively in the country of Cyrene in North Africa. Since Cyrene was the sole exporter of the plant, it became the city’s official symbol on its coinage and it remained the city’s primary source of income until the first century BCE.

Other plants used in classical times as contraceptives or abortafacients included pennyroyal, artemisia, myrrh, and rue. In Aristophanes’s comedy Peace, first performed in 421 BCE, Hermes provides Trigaius with a female companion. Trigaius wonders if the woman might become pregnant. “Not if you add a dose of pennyroyal,” advises Hermes. Pennyroyal grows in the wild and would have been readily available to ancient women. Recent studies show that pennyroyal contains a substance called pulegone that terminates pregnancy in humans and animals.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:02 PM EST
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MoCowgirl-1193719

So all this flap from the Church is simply because they know their flocks are defying them in using contraceptives. They are losing control.

So the Catholic Church is actually trying to use the US government as an enforcement arm to make Catholics obey the Pope in Rome?

I am relieved to see Catholics speaking out against this type of coercion and demanding their rights as US citizens not to be oppressed by religion .... including their own.

This was a great article. I bookmarked it for future reference.

  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:25 AM EST
sandra-359026

Thank you all, my heart soars when I read other peoples blogs and articles that expose the lies being told. Then I know that I am not alone. Faith is a wonderful thing. I've had several things happen to me that are only explainable if you believe in angels. That has made my faith in life after death stronger. As far as the Bible quote for being careful of spilling ones seed there are so many ways to interpet that, from masturbation, to prostitution, etc. Studying religion and its inception really is an eyeopener. What they did. how brutal it was. The only religion without violence is Buddism. And he never claimed to be a God just a teacher. A man searching for enlightenment and his soul. Catholicism on the other hand was extremely violent and controlling. Today my husband, a Catholic, can't take communion because we got married. We didn't pay the Church to send us a letter saying that our previous marriages didn't exist. He could take communion as long as we just lived together. It's hypocritical. I believe that it is what we think of others, and what we do to others that matters most. If you stop and take time to help someone or if you walk by because you can't be bothered. Even if that help is just an answer to a question. That is what matters. That you don't hate, don't listen, even when you disagree, That you treat people fairly, and if you can you share with others the bounty that you are given. And I don't mean dropping money in a Church plate. It doesn't even have to be money. That you treat your spouse and kids with love while you still maintain your own dignity and self. That you think about the generations to come and you don't destroy this earth. thank you all for writing. God Bless you all.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:19 AM EST
WaltUU

The only religion without violence is Buddism.

I'm not a Buddhist, but I do know a lot about it, and it does seem to me that Buddhism has all the bases covered, with regard to the rational underpinnings of a legitimate religion.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:50 AM EST
Ian-2690048

I am Buddhist in practice and I can tell you Buddhism, or at least Buddhists, justified Japan's military campaigns in WWII. The Japanese also militarized Buddhism in the form of Bushido. It may be the only religion that doesn't have violence and war in its holy books but it has been used as an excuse or to excuse violence on occasion. This tends to happen when it leaves its roots as a practicable philosophical system and enters the realm of dogmatism common to other religions or when it becomes state sanctioned as in Sri Lanka. Of course, as a whole, its history of non-violence and peaceful protest far outweighs that of any modern religion.

Maybe that is because of its rational underpinnings and its lack of dogmatism. Particularly the schools that came out of China. It has developed today into forms of literalism though. Tibetan Buddhism believes in actual reincarnation and saints as do most Therevadan schools whereas Ch'an (which eventually turned into Zen and it's offshoots) generally believe that reincarnation is a parable for constant introspection and change in your life.

All in all its generally hard to be dogmatic as a religion when in its earliest texts its founder repeatedly states not to believe a word he says:

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

Which is pretty much the complete opposite of most religions.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:07 AM EST
WaltUU

Thanks for those insights.

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#5.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:13 AM EST
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sandra-359026

Ian really read that text. He is telling his followers to learn for themselves. To research, observe, and sort out the wheat from the chaff. Tibet is ruled by China because Tibetin Buddist would not fight. yes they believe in reincarnation. so do I. The Bible even has a passage in the old testement that verfies reincarnation. I don't have that before me but it goes to the statement that they knew the person they were talking to was really someone else from the past. ELi i believe. Do you ever wonder what we all will do in heaven? Or will we someday decide to work some more on our souls and come back here, or in another world. AS the saying goes Karma can be a bitch if you don't care about your soul and live life accordingly. We all fall down, We all think really bad stuff, and the Bible says if you think it you have done it. I believe that Christ was born and died to show us a better way of life, and that life goes on even after death with his return. I've had an angel touch my shoulder, saw a glow and felt peace that I can't explain in a time of my need. And other things have happened. But I am no saint, I have fallen a lot, committed all the sins in my mind including murder. Gotten angry when I should have thought it through. Been hurt by others and have hurt others. If every atom that ever was still is in some form or other as chemistry states, then life itself has to have some substance to it. I don't believe everything evolved out of the Ocean. I believe things evolve with in their spieces. But you can put a maple seed in a dish or in the ground and it wil not come out a pine tree, or a bird. even with pine trees and birds around it. Even if billions of years pass. The older I get the harder I try to right my soul, the years are getting shorter that I may walk this earth. the earth means a lot to me. the birds, the trees, the flowers, animals, people too although the people often vex me because they don't research, observe, check reality, and think. they go like puppets on strings. That's why I support Barack Obama he thinks, He came out today and stated he would compromise on the rules in order for the Church to maintain its order. It takes a big person to come out in front of the world and say I've reconsidered this, He has been in touch with the Church from the beginning. He's taken a lot of crap, and gotten little help from Congress while taking all the blame heaped on him. How much better would our economy be if Congress had put aside its partinship and worked together? How much better would it be for our country. We're lucky to have him. Because no matter what he does he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. there are so many who think we should rule the world instead of be part of it. That were weak if we don't run the show. thats because those people who want to run the world are bullies still. not men that think. not men that put the people first, not men that can stand up and say its ok to compromise because compromise makes sense. I've read the Dharma, The tibetian book of the dead, the life of Budda. i am not a Buddist, I'm just a human who is grateful to be alive, and who believes in Christ, and I worship him in my closet.

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Reply#6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:34 PM EST
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